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  • Turn it in - 10% chance of staff honesty isn't bad.

    3 75.00%
  • Keep it- She's blown through 5 Kindles and there doesn't seem to be a way to get it back to her.

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  1. #31
    Doing the right thing is doing the right thing.

    Everything else is just excuses.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by earthJoker View Post
    What I am surprised about is, that Dread is going to a gym that he knows the staff is taking lost items for themselves. For me, such a behavior would be a reason to change the gym. Now maybe New York don't has a gym without such jerks as staff, but that would than be a bad sign about your city in general.
    Have you been to New York?

  3. #33
    Yes. But never lived there.
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  4. #34
    All I'm saying is that the 'bad signs' about NYC are sitting there in plain sight, it doesn't require a gym membership to know that.

    I don't know Dread's particular gym, and maybe he's being pessimistic about the staff. But in general I wouldn't be surprised if his assumption about the fate of the Kindle if he handed it in was reasonable.

  5. #35
    It's hardly unique to New York. Take a bunch of people who are overworked and (feel like they're) underpaid, give them anonymity, and I'm willing to bet most would take the object given the chance.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  6. #36
    (I don't actually think all people in NYC are dirty cheating scoundrels. I just hate NYC and I'll take any opportunity to make a dig. )

  7. #37
    You have overworked, underpaid people in Tokyo too, still people there leave their smart-phones on the table to reserve it when they get the food at self service restaurants and expect that the phone is still there and the table is still free when they come back.
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  8. #38
    Japan has a culture of shame; the West (not just New York) does not. Try leaving something out in the open in Rome or London.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  9. #39
    I quite recently left my phone on the counter a shop. They put it in a safe and I was able to collect it the next day. I also left my wallet at my gym in a similar way to this story - either someone handed it in or the staff picked it up but I was able to just go and picked it up the next time I was in there. Also, when I was a little boy I remember leaving my gameboy in a hotel room in France somewhere. Thing turned up in the post a few weeks later.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Japan has a culture of shame; the West (not just New York) does not. Try leaving something out in the open in Rome or London.
    I am not so sure about London, our UK members maybe can tell you more. Southern Europe is definitely a place where you should keep an eye on your stuff.
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  11. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I quite recently left my phone on the counter a shop. They put it in a safe and I was able to collect it the next day. I also left my wallet at my gym in a similar way to this story - either someone handed it in or the staff picked it up but I was able to just go and picked it up the next time I was in there. Also, when I was a little boy I remember leaving my gameboy in a hotel room in France somewhere. Thing turned up in the post a few weeks later.
    That definitely explains why England has one of the worst burglary and robbery rates in Europe.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html
    Hope is the denial of reality

  12. #42
    So do you hate England, or just Steely, or what? It's not like his country executes retards
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  13. #43
    Loki, your link is about violent crimes, which are not the topic here.
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  14. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by earthJoker View Post
    Loki, your link is about violent crimes, which are not the topic here.
    Eh? Look at the chart. It says 4th worst in burglary and 5th worst in robbery.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  15. #45
    I suppose they ought take up some lessons from Berija, as your country has...
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  16. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It's hardly unique to New York. Take a bunch of people who are overworked and (feel like they're) underpaid, give them anonymity, and I'm willing to bet most would take the object given the chance.
    I have no idea of the actual numbers with items we don't deal with, but my work location has an entire room for lost and found items. Cell phones, ereaders, wallets, IDs, you name it. We recently tracked down someone who accidently dropped an envelope with several hundred dollars in it into the book drop, and that was discovered by a part timer who makes a buck over minimum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    one of the worst
    whats the limit on weasel phrases like this? top/bottom 5%? 10%?
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  17. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Eh? Look at the chart. It says 4th worst in burglary and 5th worst in robbery.
    Which both include the use of force, which is not the topic here.
    (Edit: If my English comprehension isn't that off we speak about theft here.)
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  18. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That definitely explains why England has one of the worst burglary and robbery rates in Europe.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html
    wat
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  19. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by earthJoker View Post
    Which both include the use of force, which is not the topic here.
    (Edit: If my English comprehension isn't that off we speak about theft here.)
    Burglary doesn't require (and usually doesn't include) violence. General theft statistics for England aren't great either.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  20. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Burglary doesn't require (and usually doesn't include) violence.
    Not violence but usually force is used to break in. Anyway, I found some theft statistics, they don't look good but England isn't the worst there.
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  21. #51
    What does Steely getting valuable things back from the gym/a store/France have to do with burglary and robbery rates? Daily fail we can deduce a priori that Steely's chances would be better in the UK than they would be in NYC due to the differences in Dreadnaught-prevalence
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  22. #52
    It's called the "Loki of the day".
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  23. #53
    The sheer volume of thefts suggests that stealing isn't that much of a cultural taboo. It's not like these people are stealing to buy food either.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  24. #54
    Theft is still a cultural taboo in the west. Even if you had anonymity from getting caught/held responsible for stealing something, if you told your friends most would probably tell you to try to return it. Even if they themselves might do it in similar circumstances. It's still taboo.

  25. #55
    Literacy Rates by Country

    Georgia - 100%
    Belarus - 99.7%
    Tajikistan - 99.6%
    Tonga - 99.2%
    United States - 99%

    Now, as you can see, America has a lower literacy rate than four other countries picked specifically by my on the grounds of a) having a higher literacy rate than America and b) being popularly perceived as kinda underdeveloped. This now renders your point completely invalid. Whatever the fuck it was.

    Just need to a way to hide the 99% figure with some harder to interpret raw numbers to make it look like there is a problem with literacy in the US.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  26. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The sheer volume of thefts suggests that stealing isn't that much of a cultural taboo. It's not like these people are stealing to buy food either.
    It could suggest all sorts of things, eg. that they have very active thieves. Of course, we're talking about burglaries and robberies on the one hand and Dreadnaughting on the other hand. Most importantly none of this has anything to do with Steely's post wherein he simply described his experiences without including phrases like "ergo Sandwich-Upon-Thyme is better than NYC because of the strong Franco-British taboo against theft" which is why I'm like Dude, okay, NYC is a great city no worse than any other city, chill already

    The few times I've had the occasion to gather data I've found that people generally get their stuff back, although no-one would ever actually expect that to be the case. Maybe it's because most people don't know what they'd do with someone else's smartphone besides find out who it belongs to and then give it back. It's a relief because drunk students have a gift for losing all sorts of important things
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  27. #57
    I don't know.

    Theft in this country seems to be respectively high.

    The recent riots were testament.

    [/anectdotal]

  28. #58
    yeah what's up with you guys rioting all the time?? I thought you were an adult
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  29. #59
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    Sigh, I forgot my iPad on a plane. I have little - very little - hope of ever finding it again as it takes the airline 48 hours to even register anything found. And of course the damn thing was in flightmode, so no hope of using finding it through the internet.
    Congratulations America

  30. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    yeah what's up with you guys rioting all the time?? I thought you were an adult
    they weren't looting, man, they just found all these flat screen tv's in department stores

    finder's keepers
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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