Lesson... Don't Steal

[LittleFuzzy]

So going to the bank robbery scenario if a bank robbers incompetence led to a security guard shooting dead one of his accomplices then that should be a mitigating factor? That's absurd.

So is charging someone with murdering their friend for him getting shot by the security guard. Apparently, under this interpretation of the law, if you attempt to rob someone and they beat the crap out of you with a baseball bat, you're guilty of aggravated assault against yourself. Better hope the guy you attempted to rob doesn't start spitting racial epithets at you, that'll give the assault charge against yourself a hate crime add-on.

Using felony-murder in this way is lunacy. It's also apparently not uncommon. Part of the whole schtick DAs over here have of throwing every conceivable charge they can muster to encourage plea-bargaining. I know there's a case in California which is being pursued along fairly similar lines to the one Lewk cited.

[Timbuk2]

So is charging someone with murdering their friend for him getting shot by the security guard. Apparently, under this interpretation of the law, if you attempt to rob someone and they beat the crap out of you with a baseball bat, you're guilty of aggravated assault against yourself. Better hope the guy you attempted to rob doesn't start spitting racial epithets at you, that'll give the assault charge against yourself a hate crime add-on.

Using felony-murder in this way is lunacy. .

Precisely.

[Khendraja'aro]

So is charging someone with murdering their friend for him getting shot by the security guard.

Well, they can't very well charge the friend with murdering himself now, can they? Someone has to take the blame, after all!

[RandBlade]

So is charging someone with murdering their friend for him getting shot by the security guard. Apparently, under this interpretation of the law, if you attempt to rob someone and they beat the crap out of you with a baseball bat, you're guilty of aggravated assault against yourself. Better hope the guy you attempted to rob doesn't start spitting racial epithets at you, that'll give the assault charge against yourself a hate crime add-on.

Using felony-murder in this way is lunacy. It's also apparently not uncommon. Part of the whole schtick DAs over here have of throwing every conceivable charge they can muster to encourage plea-bargaining. I know there's a case in California which is being pursued along fairly similar lines to the one Lewk cited.

The law is absolutely crystal clear and not being misapplied. You start a violent crime and it results in loss of life then you are responsible for murder even if you did not pull the trigger. The life would not have been lost had you not started your felony. Don't want to be charged with that? Don't start violent felonies. Simples.

[Lewkowski]

The law is absolutely crystal clear and not being misapplied. You start a violent crime and it results in loss of life then you are responsible for murder even if you did not pull the trigger. The life would not have been lost had you not started your felony. Don't want to be charged with that? Don't start violent felonies. Simples.

Liberals won't agree because criminals are precious little snowflakes that society has 'failed' to properly educate and raise. Its not their fault they are committing crime!

[Timbuk2]

Liberals

[Lewkowski]

Oh please. What part of limited government = opposite of what liberals want do you not understand?

[Timbuk2]

Oh please. What part of limited government = opposite of what liberals want do you not understand?

Your nebulous caricature of 'liberals' is so misplaced and simplistic you missed the point entirely.

Keep bashing your silly little strawman Lewk; it has no basis in reality.

[Lewkowski]

Your nebulous caricature of 'liberals' is so misplaced and simplistic you missed the point entirely.

Keep bashing your silly little strawman Lewk; it has no basis in reality.

In general liberals favor big government. Do you actually deny this?

Who is the opponent of free speech under the guise of hate speech laws? Who is the opponent of free speech under the guise of campaign finance reform. Liberals.

Who favors more taxes? Liberals.

Who favors greater regulation? Liberals.

Who favors economic central planning via things like monopoly busting, minimum wage laws and elimination of pay secrecy? Liberals.