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  1. #2581
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Donald Trump’s streak of falsehoods now stands at 33 days
    Donald Trump has been president for all or part of 33 days. He has averaged four falsehoods or misleading statements a day(!) in that time. There hasn't been a single day of Trump's presidency in which he has said nothing false or misleading.

    This project is awesome: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ims/?tid=a_inl
    In the 33 days so far, we’ve counted 132 false or misleading claims.
    Some of those so called untruths are pretty damn petty if not the truth. Which is a shame as they can be cherrypicked by Trump supporters to discredit the fact checkers and by insinuation the full blown whoppers.

    Eg they list as a falsehood Trump simply saying that the stock market had hit a record high on the day the stock market hit a record high, just because he dismissed the stock market as being a bubble under Obama. That doesn't make his claim false.

    Trump has certainly changed his spin on good news, unsurprisingly since he's now in government rather than opposition, but that doesn't make the fact that the stock market hit a record high a falsehood.
    Last edited by RandBlade; 02-22-2017 at 10:24 AM.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    No. All leaders are at least somewhat misleading, but no Western leader has ever been as mendacious in either quantity or quality of their dishonesty. You cannot say "well, all politicians lie" as if Trump is on an equivalent scale.
    Not entirely sure about the bold bit, you have to take into account leaders like Berlusconi etc. But otherwise I agree, and definitely if you compare to US presidents.
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  3. #2583
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Not entirely sure about the bold bit, you have to take into account leaders like Berlusconi etc. But otherwise I agree, and definitely if you compare to US presidents.
    No, I'm counting figures like Berlusconi. This is just Trump's first thirty days in office.
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  4. #2584
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    No, I'm counting figures like Berlusconi. This is just Trump's first thirty days in office.
    I think there's more than one thing going on here. It's not just that he lies to manipulate for his own advantage, he lies about things that don't even remotely matter. It's almost as if he doesn't understand what objectivity, or evidence-based information, even is. Like he regards anything he wants to be true, as true. And anything he doesn't, as false. And he genuinely doesn't understand the difference between that and accepting an objective fact as true, even when you don't like it. Is that a kind of mental illness, or is that a form of stupidity? Either way, it should disqualify him from the presidency, for the good of the nation, and the world.
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  5. #2585
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    I think there's more than one thing going on here. It's not just that he lies to manipulate for his own advantage, he lies about things that don't even remotely matter. It's almost as if he doesn't understand what objectivity, or evidence-based information, even is. Like he regards anything he wants to be true, as true. And anything he doesn't, as false. And he genuinely doesn't understand the difference between that and accepting an objective fact as true, even when you don't like it. Is that a kind of mental illness, or is that a form of stupidity? Either way, it should disqualify him from the presidency, for the good of the nation, and the world.
    Eh?

    To me Trump shoots from the hip and never apologizes even if he is clearly wrong. While I wouldn't put it past him to lie about something I generally think that *in the moment* he does believe certain things. Unless you want to call egomania a mental illness I don't think he should be classified as such. (Though frankly the dubious term mental illness is starting to frustrate me, it wont' be long before the vast majority of people will be considered to have a mental illness of some sort).

  6. #2586
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Eh?

    To me Trump shoots from the hip and never apologizes even if he is clearly wrong. While I wouldn't put it past him to lie about something I generally think that *in the moment* he does believe certain things. Unless you want to call egomania a mental illness I don't think he should be classified as such. (Though frankly the dubious term mental illness is starting to frustrate me, it wont' be long before the vast majority of people will be considered to have a mental illness of some sort).
    Egomania that has you refusing to believe well demonstrated factual information and instead adopting a delusion is very much an expression of mental illness, Lewk. If he truly believes the very obvious and repeatedly demonstrated lies that he keeps repeating than he is delusional. And that's not really acceptable in the "leader of the free world." And if he doesn't believe it, if he's engaged in constant lying to the American people on any and every subject under the sun, that cannot be acceptable in a functional democracy either.
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  7. #2587
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ender-students
    Trump administration withdraws protections for transgender students

    Didn't Trump claim he was going to be a better friend to the LBQT community than Hillary?
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  8. #2588
    7-year-old to senator: Don't take away PBS to build the wall
    Totally worth while autoplaying video of a 7 year old calling out his Senator on the GOP's "the dumber you are, the better we look" line of thinking.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  9. #2589
    Cute
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  10. #2590
    Trump fucking over Military families? Say it aint so!

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...-programs.html
    Federal Hiring Freeze Suspends Some Army Child Care Programs

    A federal civilian hiring freeze ordered by President Donald Trump has forced at least two Army bases to indefinitely suspend some child care programs.

    Officials at Fort Knox, Kentucky, notified families Feb. 17 of the suspension to the on-base part-day child development center (CDC) programs, its hourly care program and the enrollment of new families into the CDC.

    "Effective immediately, no new children will be enrolled in the CDC," states the letter, signed by Fort Knox garrison commander Col. Stephen Aiton. "Also, effective 27 February 2017, the CDC will no longer accommodate childcare for our hourly care and part day families until further notice."

    The CDC's part-day programs include its part-day preschools. Many military families, including some CDC workers, rely on hourly care for child care during part-time jobs or school hours, or when the full-time day care program is full. One Army spouse at Fort Knox reported that the wait list for her 1-year-old is estimated through July.

    "We are prevented from bringing new caregivers on board but are still having our usual staff turnover and illnesses, which creates challenges to maintaining ratios and providing quality childcare," the Fort Knox letter states.

    Officials at U.S. Army Garrison Wiesbaden, Germany, announced that all part-day programs will be suspended in a letter dated Feb. 22 but circulated Tuesday.

    Part-day programs at Wiesbaden will be suspended starting March 1, that letter states. That letter does not address hourly care or other CDC enrollment.

    "The closure is a result of staff shortage due to the federal hiring freeze," says the letter, signed by Wiesbaden garrison commander Col. Todd Fish.

    At issue is a Jan. 23 White House directive freezing most hiring at all federal agencies.

    Although a Feb. 1 Defense Department memo exempts from the freeze 16 categories of civilian workers, including "positions providing child care to the children of military personnel," Army base commanders are still required to get permission from the service secretary before filling positions, according to a Feb. 16 memo from Diane Randon, acting assistant secretary of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs.

    As of Jan. 17, the Army's Child and Youth Services program had 12,000 positions systemwide with 2,657 vacancies, according to Army Installation Management Command (IMCOM) officials. The Army child development center program has historically had problems keeping positions filled due to high turnover and a sluggish background check system through which all workers must be vetted.

    "Issues include access to medical exams, the background checks and slow administration because of limited HR staffing as the Army gets smaller. Another issue is that many candidates take other jobs before an offer can be tendered," Bill Costlow, an IMCOM spokesman, said in January.

    Child care programs account for about half of the Army's $1.1 billion annual budget for family programs, Sgt. Maj. of the Army Daniel Dailey told senators at a hearing this month.

    About 5,500 children are on child care wait lists at the 230 CDC locations worldwide, Army officials said in a recent release. The average wait time for a daycare spot is four months, the release said, with at least five bases with wait times of five months or longer. Army bases in Hawaii have the longest wait times at 16 months.

    IMCOM officials said they are unaware of any other bases suspending their hourly or part-day programs as a result of the hiring freeze.

    Officials with the Navy said although the service requires a similar approval process for hiring exemptions, they are unaware of any CDC programs being shuttered as a result.

    Marine Corps and Air Force officials did not respond by deadline to requests for comment.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  11. #2591
    Just thought of an ironic consequence of this freeze: if a manager knows they can't replace a worker, they have no incentive to fire them or reprimand them in any way, regardless of how poorly that worker is working.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ender-students
    Trump administration withdraws protections for transgender students

    Didn't Trump claim he was going to be a better friend to the LBQT community than Hillary?
    Well, his reasoning is that men will abuse it to harass women right? Let's be honest, Trump is more of an expert on that perspective than we are
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  13. #2593
    Never seen someone so precisely turn social media on its head like Jackie Evancho has done today.

    She's the kid that sang at Trump's inauguration. The party rallied around her and her "courageousness" to perform when everyone else was turning down or cancelling their appearances. Well, today she spoke out against Trump's attack on transgenders (her sister is transgender). Holy shit, the same people that defended her decision to perform are now going ballistic about her being a child trying to play politics needing jesus and common sense. Such rabid and disgusting people.
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 02-23-2017 at 08:56 PM.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  14. #2594
    Twitter should be renamed Twatter as only twats seem to use it. On all sides of any divide it attracts the worst kind of arseholes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  15. #2595
    Hope is the denial of reality

  16. #2596
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Never seen someone so precisely turn social media on its head like Jackie Evancho has done today.

    She's the kid that sang at Trump's inauguration. The party rallied around her and her "courageousness" to perform when everyone else was turning down or cancelling their appearances. Well, today she spoke out against Trump's attack on transgenders (her sister is transgender). Holy shit, the same people that defended her decision to perform are now going ballistic about her being a child trying to play politics needing jesus and common sense. Such rabid and disgusting people.
    Sounds fair and balanced.
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  17. #2597
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Twitter should be renamed Twatter as only twats seem to use it. On all sides of any divide it attracts the worst kind of arseholes.
    *shrug* Perception isn't all of reality.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  18. #2598
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Twitter should be renamed Twatter as only twats seem to use it. On all sides of any divide it attracts the worst kind of arseholes.
    Her original post was on twitter. Most of the vileness I've seen so far has come from facebook. Shes one of my trending stories atm, and that page is full of post after post of disgusting people.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  19. #2599
    Would anyone care to define what policy goal this is serving, other than pure sadism?
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  20. #2600
    http://nordic.businessinsider.com/se...ffer&r=US&IR=T

    *snort*

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Would anyone care to define what policy goal this is serving, other than pure sadism?
    #statesrights
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  21. #2601
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Her original post was on twitter. Most of the vileness I've seen so far has come from facebook. Shes one of my trending stories atm, and that page is full of post after post of disgusting people.
    My Facebook is generally baby pictures.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  22. #2602
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    My Facebook is generally baby pictures.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  23. #2603
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  24. #2604
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Here in Europe the trending thing looks a bit different but this is mine:


    The politics stories are Labour Party (about Labour losing an election last night in Copeland), Sweden (riots apparently) and Caitlyn Jenner (attacking Trump on transgender politics). The rest are sport etc

    Oh and I'd kind of expect that baby pictures wouldn't end up in trending even if that's all most people seem to use Facebook for as tens of thousands don't comment on the same baby pictures.
    Last edited by RandBlade; 02-24-2017 at 09:33 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #2605
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    There seems to be a strong correlation between being an asshole and being a liar.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  26. #2606
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  27. #2607
    On the subject of news, the purge has begun

    White House blocks news organizations from press briefing
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  28. #2608
    A former [conservative] talk-show host writes about one half of the disease slowly destroying America:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/0...-is-lying.html
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  29. #2609
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    On the subject of news, the purge has begun

    White House blocks news organizations from press briefing
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  30. #2610
    In response to the BBC being banned:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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